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Re: Periodic Touhou Tournament (Discussion Thread)!
« Reply #630 on: May 31, 2011, 08:45:53 AM »
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Re: Periodic Touhou Tournament (Discussion Thread)!
« Reply #631 on: June 06, 2011, 09:14:32 AM »
Today's tourney will be delayed by an hour or two, due to exams. :V
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Re: Periodic Touhou Tournament (Discussion Thread)!
« Reply #632 on: June 06, 2011, 09:31:48 AM »
I've got exams on today too.. Still plan on taking part in this tourney, though.

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Re: Periodic Touhou Tournament (Discussion Thread)!
« Reply #633 on: June 06, 2011, 10:12:28 AM »
Bombed math, and I have to finish paper tonight, and I have one more, but I think I should be able to do it this week.
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Re: Periodic Touhou Tournament (Discussion Thread)!
« Reply #634 on: June 06, 2011, 03:14:56 PM »
Mechanics exam clear, and week 10's up. You guys will find a nice (?) surprise for Special this time around. :D
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Re: Periodic Touhou Tournament (Discussion Thread)!
« Reply #635 on: June 06, 2011, 03:29:58 PM »
Haha MoF extra graze with ReimuC? Guess I'll have to unlock it with her first :derp:

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Re: Periodic Touhou Tournament (Discussion Thread)!
« Reply #636 on: June 06, 2011, 05:02:22 PM »
This week's Special Challenge sounds intriguing, but for some reason my fucking computer refuses to let me create a backup for MoF.  >:(
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Re: Periodic Touhou Tournament (Discussion Thread)!
« Reply #637 on: June 06, 2011, 05:14:59 PM »
Don't worry, I double-checked myself and it's entirely safe to use with no backup, it just creates a separate .exe to run.  Also, score.dat for anyone who needs it:

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Re: Periodic Touhou Tournament (Discussion Thread)!
« Reply #638 on: June 06, 2011, 07:28:49 PM »
I would make a comment about Netherworld Team but i'll just skip that and say that the MoF challenge sounds pretty interesting.  :)
Dunno when i'll be making a run as I got some exams as well but I suppose I can sneak in a few attempts.

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Re: Periodic Touhou Tournament (Discussion Thread)!
« Reply #639 on: June 06, 2011, 07:30:22 PM »
I would make a comment about Netherworld Team but i'll just skip that and say that the MoF challenge sounds pretty interesting.  :)
Dunno when i'll be making a run as I got some exams as well but I suppose I can sneak in a few attempts.

Whats so bad about netherworld team, other than yuyu's shots being too weak and youmu p much being ReimuC in SA?
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Re: Periodic Touhou Tournament (Discussion Thread)!
« Reply #640 on: June 06, 2011, 07:55:44 PM »
yuyu's shots being too weak

That's part of it. The rest being Youmu... I don't like shot types that does anything more that fire straight ahead. A spread shot is fine but anything that you have to manually aim... just no. Its a game where so many popcorn enemies come in from all directions. Makes things difficult in a really annoying way. That is of course a really opinionated thing but they can't outclass Border Team and I don't think they can top Scarlet Team either. They may be a match for Magic Team but that's not really an accomplishment.

Howver, I might try out some Extra stage scoring.

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Re: Periodic Touhou Tournament (Discussion Thread)!
« Reply #641 on: June 06, 2011, 07:58:03 PM »
But that's the thing though, if you try to deconstruct them like this, they've all got their foibles. That's balance for you I guess.
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Re: Periodic Touhou Tournament (Discussion Thread)!
« Reply #642 on: June 06, 2011, 08:04:16 PM »
The MoF challenge looks fantastic, I've always dreamt to see max-graze attempts in this game. =)

But are we allowed to glitch Suwako's first card ? I always do that, it's similar to a Safrspot, but maybe it's forbidden in a contest ?
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Re: Periodic Touhou Tournament (Discussion Thread)!
« Reply #643 on: June 06, 2011, 08:13:08 PM »
I'm pretty sure it's allowed. ;)

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Re: Periodic Touhou Tournament (Discussion Thread)!
« Reply #644 on: June 06, 2011, 08:57:37 PM »
Great, thanks. =)
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Re: Periodic Touhou Tournament (Discussion Thread)!
« Reply #645 on: June 06, 2011, 09:02:32 PM »
But that's the thing though, if you try to deconstruct them like this, they've all got their foibles. That's balance for you I guess.

The Border Team doesn't really have any considerable shortcomings.

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Re: Periodic Touhou Tournament (Discussion Thread)!
« Reply #646 on: June 06, 2011, 09:06:57 PM »
The Border Team doesn't really have any considerable shortcomings.

They're slow as hell, for one thing.
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Re: Periodic Touhou Tournament (Discussion Thread)!
« Reply #647 on: June 06, 2011, 09:15:55 PM »
They're slow as hell, for one thing.
Slower than other teams, but it's not like their speed makes that much of a difference (at least from a survival perspective), especially since both sides of the Border Team have homing shots of some kind.
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Re: Periodic Touhou Tournament (Discussion Thread)!
« Reply #648 on: June 06, 2011, 09:25:54 PM »
Slower than other teams, but it's not like their speed makes that much of a difference (at least from a survival perspective), especially since both sides of the Border Team have homing shots of some kind.

Yeah, thats rather true.
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Re: Periodic Touhou Tournament (Discussion Thread)!
« Reply #649 on: June 06, 2011, 09:26:49 PM »
Slower than other teams, but it's not like their speed makes that much of a difference (at least from a survival perspective), especially since both sides of the Border Team have homing shots of some kind.

Not to mention Yukari's damage is fairly strong despite the fact that she's a homing shot type, being only a wee bit weaker than Alice and Remilia, and outdamaging most of the others under practical conditions.  And she has a strong bomb to go with it.

Reimu's also got the strongest bomb in the game as well, IIRC.

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Re: Periodic Touhou Tournament (Discussion Thread)!
« Reply #650 on: June 06, 2011, 09:30:47 PM »
Reimu's also got the strongest bomb in the game as well, IIRC.

Reimu's got the strongest ANYTHING in any game. I think that's what Zengeku is really trying to get at.
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Re: Periodic Touhou Tournament (Discussion Thread)!
« Reply #651 on: June 06, 2011, 10:38:29 PM »
There is only one game in which I would use another character instead of Reimu. That would be UFO in which SanaeB is all kinds of awesome. I'm probably by default a biased Reimu player but whenever a new game comes out I make sure to sample all the shottypes it has, finds out which are the best and stick with that.

To be fair though, there is a few situations in IN where the Border Team falls short of other teams. The first half of Stage 3 and the beginning of Stage 6. Its still nothing that can't be memorized with the border team though and the rest of the game gets torn apart.

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Re: Periodic Touhou Tournament (Discussion Thread)!
« Reply #652 on: June 06, 2011, 11:02:10 PM »
Personally, I like SakuyaB and MarisaA more than ReimuB, if only because they're faster in PCB.
I also prefer Youmu solo to Border Team (!!), since she's got the strongest shot in the game bar Malice cannoning things. 

I will say that Reimu's got the good shot monopoly in SA.  Marisa's either weak (MarisaB and MarisaC) or impractical (MarisaA and MarisaB).  She's not bad in UFO, although SanaeB's bomb and spread help way more than ReimuA's severe advantage in firepower at all ranges.   For me, Sanae's spread and bomb are still better for me in the TD demo, but I'm rambling. 

Netherworld Team's got some issues.  Most of them stemming from Yuyuko not being able to shift the phantom gauge as fast as Youmu solo, IMO.

Re: Periodic Touhou Tournament (Discussion Thread)!
« Reply #653 on: June 07, 2011, 03:17:34 AM »
Not to mention Yukari's damage is fairly strong despite the fact that she's a homing shot type, being only a wee bit weaker than Alice and Remilia
You mean Marisa?  It's pretty hard to be weaker than Alice, and Remilia's probably the strongest shot in the game.  In most cases anyway.  Malice beats her if you can keep it up without ramming into bullets and Youmu/Yuyuko are technically stronger even if they'll never show it outside of maybe the Asteroid Belt pseudo-safespot)

Personally, I like SakuyaB and MarisaA more than ReimuB, if only because they're faster in PCB.
I also prefer Youmu solo to Border Team (!!), since she's got the strongest shot in the game bar Malice cannoning things. 

I will say that Reimu's got the good shot monopoly in SA.  Marisa's either weak (MarisaB and MarisaC) or impractical (MarisaA and MarisaB).  She's not bad in UFO, although SanaeB's bomb and spread help way more than ReimuA's severe advantage in firepower at all ranges.   For me, Sanae's spread and bomb are still better for me in the TD demo, but I'm rambling. 

Netherworld Team's got some issues.  Most of them stemming from Yuyuko not being able to shift the phantom gauge as fast as Youmu solo, IMO.
Mm, yeah.  Going SoEW upwards, skipping the odd-number games, my favorite shots are probably ReimuB (would play A if there was a focus button), Yumemi, MarisaA, Mima, MarisaB, SakuyaB, Border Team (Nether and Yukari Solo close behind, solo Youmu/Marisa are okay too but they have shit range), Marisa/Shikieki (about equal), ReimuB, ReimuA, MarisaA, Marisa.  If we toss in IaMP, then Suika for that (I don't care about the other fighters).

Basically, I like playing fast characters, but will opt for someone else if they have some sort of overwhelming advantage.  MarisaA and Mima are awesome in LLS/MS.  I use MarisaB over A in EoSD because she has wider range and doesn't lose the Marisa speed like ReimuB would.  SakuyaB in PCB because Marisa only has 2 bombs (and awful range) and ReimuB is slow as shit.  Easier grazing, less cherry punishment, and 4 bombs per life is pretty awesome too.  I opt for border team over faster characters because Yukari is awesome (Yukari Solo is just as awesome, and Youmu is really hard to push out of Human by killing too many familiars [I prefer Nether over Youmu Solo because of the spread shot+being able to switch out of Human is useful for bullet canceling with the familiars]).  ReimuB over Marisa in MoF because only MarisaC is really good and I'm garbage with her [plus comfortable movement speed with Reimu for once!).  ReimuA in SA because Marisa sucks once again (and Reimu doesn't once again!).  MarisaA in UFO because of piercing+high damage lasers (Reimu back to being slow as shit, SanaeB is nice though).  Marisa in TD because everyone's pretty balanced/easy to use aside from awkward Youmu, and Marisa's speedy.

I guess I have a few weird preferences there (UFO, IN, EoSD), but they work fairly well for me, and that's what's important right? =p

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Re: Periodic Touhou Tournament (Discussion Thread)!
« Reply #654 on: June 07, 2011, 06:07:26 AM »
You mean Marisa?  It's pretty hard to be weaker than Alice, and Remilia's probably the strongest shot in the game.  In most cases anyway.  Malice beats her if you can keep it up without ramming into bullets and Youmu/Yuyuko are technically stronger even if they'll never show it outside of maybe the Asteroid Belt pseudo-safespot)

I guess I have a few weird preferences there (UFO, IN, EoSD), but they work fairly well for me, and that's what's important right? =p

Herp, yes I mean Marisa.  To be fair, Alice wouldn't have b/u]een so bad if her bomb and shot did more damage. 
Hell, if her bomb wasn't absolute shit, or if Yukari wasn't essentially hands down the best shot-type for every practical purpose outside of scoring.

With no Malice Cannon, Youmu is the strongest, if you can stay under the boss, and obvious Yuyu shotgun. 

And if I'm not mistaken, MarisaB in EoSD is essentially the best shot type.

Re: Periodic Touhou Tournament (Discussion Thread)!
« Reply #655 on: June 07, 2011, 01:41:24 PM »
And if I'm not mistaken, MarisaB in EoSD is essentially the best shot type.
Possibly, though she doesn't get much love.  ReimuB is a bit stronger (and most people seem to prefer Reimu speed), MarisaA is way stronger, but with less horizontal range.  MarisaA is probably the best, but MarisaB is slightly easier to use since you're still doing some damage even if you're not directly under a boss.

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Re: Periodic Touhou Tournament (Discussion Thread)!
« Reply #656 on: June 07, 2011, 02:12:18 PM »
EoSD MarisaB's horizontal range isn't that much wider than MarisaA's from what I remember. As someone who used to main MarisaA, I can say that literally the only flaw in that shottype is that she's a bit too fast for reliable micrododging. Everything else about her is great though, a strong shot with a long-lasting bomb (and when activated on top of bosses, is very strong itself). ReimuB trades bomb length for a better movement speed (a suitable trade-off if you ask me), and is still acceptably strong from long-distance. ReimuA... I never bothered with her, but I hear she's weak as hell.
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Re: Periodic Touhou Tournament (Discussion Thread)!
« Reply #657 on: June 07, 2011, 10:11:17 PM »
EoSD... the good ol' days where shottypes were all useful.  :V

Re: Periodic Touhou Tournament (Discussion Thread)!
« Reply #658 on: June 08, 2011, 02:50:49 PM »
Part of me is screaming "Fuck this stage!! I never want to see it again!!" and part of me is screaming "Fuck me, I can't settle with under 1.4B!!"

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Re: Periodic Touhou Tournament (Discussion Thread)!
« Reply #659 on: June 09, 2011, 09:30:40 AM »
Had a fairly good run going on, only to die by flying into Marisa DURING THE PRE-FIGHT DIALOGUE.

*Give up and retry?*