Author Topic: Periodic Touhou Tournament (Discussion Thread)! (Read 159146 times)

Garlyle · « **Reply #120 on:** February 01, 2011, 12:32:16 PM »

Oh man, waking up to see that my scores are still on the bottom of almost every section is -awesome-.

I mean that unironically too. It just motivates me to try to do better +_+!

チソウ タイゼン · « **Reply #121 on:** February 02, 2011, 01:27:16 AM »

So, um.
In the subsequent tournaments, are you going to smalltext all of the previous results like in SotW, or are you going to do some roundabout other thing like save it into a Notepad file and upload it?

Paper Conan · « **Reply #122 on:** February 02, 2011, 01:37:11 AM »

I.... I.....
All I can say is if anyone can give me tips for Houei Era 4 and Suwa War...?

Can you also give me constructive criticism from my newest Extra stage replay?
I bombed in every nonspell to collect all the items, but then I thought.... "If I bomb, won't she give me more P-Blocks than point items (which I needed more)?"

advice? :V
/is gloating at almost-success

ふねん1 · « **Reply #123 on:** February 02, 2011, 01:51:07 AM »

Suwako's sprites in Houei Era 4 follow you around, so it's technically memorizeable. You want to start by leading the first sprite back-and-forth along either side of the screen, making a zig-zag pattern. Once the second sprite appears, make sure that you can get both of them to stick close together.

Suwa War's ending is the part you need to watch out for. For the rest, you just dodge the pink "suns" and stream the red ones. Make sure you stay within an open space between the "vines" as you do this. When the card picks up at the end (after the third red phase, I believe), go above Suwako, dodge the pink suns, then start streaming the red ones downward from the very top of the screen (and I do mean the very top). Be careful of the vines as you go down, of course, but you want to stream in such a way as to end up close to the bottom of the screen during the last couple of seconds.

And yeah, you want to make sure you're at Full Power for as long as possible during Suwako to get those extra Point items. Train yourself to jump straight for the PoC as soon as you end each card, that way you won't get caught at the top by the nonspells. To see a demonstration of the Spellcards you asked about, try this replay. Hopefully this will help.

Chaotic Phoenixma · « **Reply #124 on:** February 02, 2011, 02:26:12 AM »

Deathbomb final Extra nonspell for extra Faith, Y/N?

Also, wasn't there some trick involving deathbombing Suwako's opener for lots of faith?

Also, do the scoreruns glitch out the first card?

チソウ タイゼン · « **Reply #125 on:** February 02, 2011, 02:59:12 AM »

i can't do this mountain of faith thing guys
every time I die pre-waterfall I ragequit

I've developed a second nature for shooting for the "pause" button when I die
no seriously- I broke my last keyboard doing this

that, and I can't seem to no-miss my way to Kanako anymore
I'll never see 700,000 faith again

NEETori · « **Reply #126 on:** February 02, 2011, 03:00:53 AM »

My derp deaths are starting to make me rage.
I've broadsided myself into a row of bullets during Flood Ooze several times now. And rammed random bullets while dodging. And moving myself into walls. And bodyslamming Shizuha a couple of times while PoCing.

Chaotic Phoenixma · « **Reply #127 on:** February 02, 2011, 03:44:15 PM »

Just got a 653,787,260 on MoF Normal. I am sick of derp dying in all sorts of unexpected places. 4 fucking times, all on Stage 5.

ふねん1 · « **Reply #128 on:** February 02, 2011, 04:54:05 PM »

I'm having a bit of fun scoring PCB Extra. I've yet to get through it NDNB (as per the weekly challenge), though it's interesting playing parts of it the way Heartbeam does in his runs. Then again, if he shows up for the tournament, we're all doomed. :ohdear:

EDIT: Posting this in here because it's discussion-based.

Quote from: Heartbeam on February 02, 2011, 05:53:08 PM

Debated whether or not I should have submitted quick clears initially rather than be a killjoy

This is really the only thing I'm concerned about when it comes to this biweekly contest, that some people will interpret awesome score submissions by top players as a killjoy (even if said top players don't mean it like that) and lose motivation to continue. Maybe I'm not the best person to give pep talks, but I'll give it a shot. To all you players reading this that fall into this camp, don't let scores that appear out of your league make you lose interest in participating. I say view it as an opportunity to improve your game. You now have something new to shoot for, so let it fuel your performances - you'll be surprised at the improvements you make in the process.

If someone else can help me out here, please do. :V

jaxter0987 · « **Reply #129 on:** February 03, 2011, 06:33:28 AM »

I don't know if this was already mentioned but when you re-submit scores, do you make a new post? or edit the old one? I already posted my initial attempt at NDNB on PCB. :V

NEETori · « **Reply #130 on:** February 03, 2011, 06:53:45 AM »

I'm tempted to give up on MoF at this rate. I keep getting to Kanako and dying on random shit that I can normally do.
I also tend to derp Aya and Sanae way more than I should (to the point where Sanae declares any spell card that isn't Guest Stars or Sea Split and I bomb it).

Sapz · « **Reply #131 on:** February 03, 2011, 07:23:15 AM »

Quote from: jaxter0987 on February 03, 2011, 06:33:28 AM

I don't know if this was already mentioned but when you re-submit scores, do you make a new post? or edit the old one? I already posted my initial attempt at NDNB on PCB. :V

Make a new post. Editing old posts will probably go unnoticed. :P

Heartbeam · « **Reply #132 on:** February 03, 2011, 04:40:24 PM »

Aaah, lost my post. Keeping this short.

Quote from: ふねん1 on February 02, 2011, 04:54:05 PM

This is really the only thing I'm concerned about when it comes to this biweekly contest, that some people will interpret awesome score submissions by top players as a killjoy (even if said top players don't mean it like that) and lose motivation to continue. Maybe I'm not the best person to give pep talks, but I'll give it a shot. To all you players reading this that fall into this camp, don't let scores that appear out of your league make you lose interest in participating. I say view it as an opportunity to improve your game. You now have something new to shoot for, so let it fuel your performances - you'll be surprised at the improvements you make in the process.

I don't think it's a problem over here. No, I don't have anything to back up that thought, but this is scoring we're talking about. With Touhou games. There's not enough direct competition to cause a commotion anywhere. I don't see how there could be any underlying hatred.

Quote from: Sapz on February 03, 2011, 03:43:38 PM

What are the chances of Lunatic happening again?

The outlook is good. The stretch from midboss Alice to endstage Alice may be a slight problem as I hardly practice with Marisa-A, but a border can be set to pop up earlier by milking Maiden's Bunraku. Marisa's splash damage will make the extended time a non-issue. Oh, and you could intentionally break that border so you can summon one during the opener. The rest of Alice's battle I'm not worried about as it's still early in the game. Worth noting that I've never memorized set positions for Spring Kyoto Dolls. Every once in a while I'll be facing down a horrible yellow/cyan overlap.

A little concerned about Lyrica's opener. Sure she has the easiest set, but still. No risk, move a border to that spot and the simplest way is to let the items drop during the shotgun fairy section. Concerto Grosso, Hell God Sword, Asura Sword, stage six spam...borders. I'll be a nervous wreck once 80% Reflowering is up. Doesn't matter how many times I've capped it, I'll be hoping I can stumble through the first few waves for that border so I can cheese the rest of the spell. Sigh, borders...this game is so bad. And I'm a bad person.

Now you know and I want someone else to sacrifice their pride, and care enough to clear the game (Krim).

Edit: Actually, what the hell am I doing talking about hatred. Simply put, not enough people care about scoring for this to be anything but a nice distraction, enjoyable in the company of others.

Chaotic Phoenixma · « **Reply #133 on:** February 03, 2011, 05:13:51 PM »

Hard mode scoring.

Finally don't fuck up stage 2. NDNB everything in Stage 3 up to Midboss Nitori. PoC after killing the first wave of enemies after midboss Nitori, move down for the next wave, ram a bullet. Obviously pissed at ruining yet another run.

Paper Conan · « **Reply #134 on:** February 03, 2011, 06:29:03 PM »

Quote from: Phoenixma on February 03, 2011, 05:13:51 PM

Hard mode scoring.

Finally don't fuck up stage 2. NDNB everything in Stage 3 up to Midboss Nitori. PoC after killing the first wave of enemies after midboss Nitori, move down for the next wave, ram a bullet. Obviously pissed at ruining yet another run.

This, for me... but in Lunatic. :fail:

I think I'm getting the hang of the Extra stage. I can perfect the stage portion (capturing spellcards and bombing for faith + points), and Suwako isn't that bad.... I just keep derping at Moriya's Iron Ring, even though I already know the trick. I got a 500m-550m run from just dying in the nonspell with the overload of green amulets and Suwa War (three times :V). Gonna aim for a perfect run (aside from bombing) now :getdown:.

Naut · « **Reply #135 on:** February 03, 2011, 06:39:05 PM »

Quote from: Heartbeam on February 03, 2011, 04:40:24 PM

I don't think it's a problem over here. No, I don't have anything to back up that thought, but this is scoring we're talking about. With Touhou games. There's not enough direct competition to cause a commotion anywhere.

If somebody tops my mof lunatic score I'll show you just how much commotion there can be

ふねん1 · « **Reply #136 on:** February 03, 2011, 07:34:46 PM »

Quote from: Heartbeam on February 03, 2011, 04:40:24 PM

Aaah, lost my post. Keeping this short.

I don't think it's a problem over here. No, I don't have anything to back up that thought, but this is scoring we're talking about. With Touhou games. There's not enough direct competition to cause a commotion anywhere. I don't see how there could be any underlying hatred.

Yeah, I know we're not seeing any problems here just yet. I'm trying to make sure it doesn't come up in the first place, that's all. Participation is good.

Quote from: Heartbeam on February 03, 2011, 04:40:24 PM

The outlook is good. The stretch from midboss Alice to endstage Alice may be a slight problem as I hardly practice with Marisa-A, but a border can be set to pop up earlier by milking Maiden's Bunraku. Marisa's splash damage will make the extended time a non-issue. Oh, and you could intentionally break that border so you can summon one during the opener. The rest of Alice's battle I'm not worried about as it's still early in the game. Worth noting that I've never memorized set positions for Spring Kyoto Dolls. Every once in a while I'll be facing down a horrible yellow/cyan overlap.

A little concerned about Lyrica's opener. Sure she has the easiest set, but still. No risk, move a border to that spot and the simplest way is to let the items drop during the shotgun fairy section. Concerto Grosso, Hell God Sword, Asura Sword, stage six spam...borders. I'll be a nervous wreck once 80% Reflowering is up. Doesn't matter how many times I've capped it, I'll be hoping I can stumble through the first few waves for that border so I can cheese the rest of the spell. Sigh, borders...this game is so bad. And I'm a bad person.

The second half of Stage 3 Lunatic and Lyrica's opener really aren't as bad as some people make them out to be. During the time I spent late last year perfecting Stage 3 with MarisaA, I learned how to do its second half with no border breaking almost consistently. Lyrica's opener also took me only a few tries to practice before it became much easier. I'm sure you're capable of these attacks too, of course you're free to do what you want with them.

Chaotic Phoenixma · « **Reply #137 on:** February 03, 2011, 07:49:27 PM »

Oh hey, let's get everything up to Nitori pretty much correct then trainwreck everything from Stage 4 on.

ふねん1 · « **Reply #138 on:** February 04, 2011, 01:12:04 AM »

Quote from: Heartbeam on February 04, 2011, 12:53:34 AM

Oh, I have no doubt about that (you're hogging the POC, right?).

This is what I did back then. I'm not an expert at PCB like you are, it's not like I would know the absolute best ways to go through everything. :V But even tackling it like this wasn't that bad. Just more proof that's really the case, eh?

チソウ タイゼン · « **Reply #139 on:** February 04, 2011, 02:13:05 AM »

I'd like some comment on my Lunatic entry, please

I didn't entireeeely know what I was doing, but I got farther than ever before

NEETori · « **Reply #140 on:** February 04, 2011, 02:21:37 AM »

What are good bombing spots for MoF? I generally try and bomb Momiji, both bullshit falls, and the big fairies in Stage 5, when there are more than two on the top of the screen for some massive faith gain. The fairies that shoot the flower-pattern red bullets on Stage 3 is another place, and I just bomb past Hina's Midboss card because fuck her :V

Also - had a perfect Aya easy fight until her final card, and derpdodged straight into a pellet. :blush:

Drake · « **Reply #141 on:** February 04, 2011, 06:44:23 AM »

why is pcb stage 2 so goddamn boring

Zengeku · « **Reply #142 on:** February 04, 2011, 08:25:01 AM »

Quote from: Naut on February 03, 2011, 06:39:05 PM

If somebody tops my mof lunatic score I'll show you just how much commotion there can be

Well, since the 2nd spot still is 600M you don't have much competition.

EDIT: Hey Naut, could you please scold me for being so horrible at MoF all of a sudden.
EDIT 2: Just saw Naut's replay and thought i wanted to congratulate him on it. 1.4 mil - I cannot compete with that! I want someone other than me and Sapz (we suck in unison :]) who sucks to set a score higher than 700M so i have a realistic chance of beating it. :V

Btw. i assume the submission deadline is the Sunday of the given week or what?

Chaotic Phoenixma · « **Reply #143 on:** February 04, 2011, 10:30:12 PM »

Don't know if I'll bother to submit a Hard or Lunatic run. ReimuB is so bad for scoring. I may try to learn more of how to do it with MarisaC sometime or even continue with ReimuA, but it's too frustrating with ReimuB.

That, and I still don't know how you play Stage 4 for score outside of bombing the waterfalls and Momizi.

And I could probably do a 1LC of Hard if I put in some effort which would probably easily break a billion, but I don't feel like it. With all the bombing required to score on Stage 4, low power Aya on Lunatic would be terrible as I'm terrible at her even at full power.

NEETori · « **Reply #144 on:** February 05, 2011, 12:34:11 AM »

Miracle of Otensui and Mountain of Faith. :V
To a lesser extent - Misayama Hunting Ritual and Last non-spell, as well as a couple of Sanae's non-spells.

So close. D:<

Also - is it just me or is Stage 2 bad for Faith while Stage 3, 4 and 5 are all Faith mines?

ふねん1 · « **Reply #145 on:** February 05, 2011, 01:10:22 AM »

Why does it seem I can never hit bullets properly when I want to (deathbombing in MoF), yet can't pay enough attention to dodge them when I don't? I sure need to get re-used to MoF Extra. My previous perfect run would be #1 for the tournament right now, but if I can just add in a few more scoring strats I can bump that score higher.

Chaotic Phoenixma · « **Reply #146 on:** February 05, 2011, 01:15:01 AM »

Which difficulty?

I can get around 100,000 or so Faith on Easy and around 200,000 on Lunatic on Stage 2 assuming everything goes right if going for score. It's obviously less on Lunatic if I'm not.

The Lunatic one was while missing out on a Faith item near the start cause it's hard to get with ReimuB and not killing Hina's midboss card quickly enough after bombing it.

Lunatic really is a pain in the ass to get right on that stage though.

And doing those Faith tests pretty much make me want to give up on trying scoring with ReimuB.

NEETori · « **Reply #147 on:** February 05, 2011, 01:25:08 AM »

Assuming I bomb-kill midboss Hina, I can get maybe 80k at best, so in order to have 200k Faith by the end of the stage, I generally need 120k by the end of stage one.

Chaotic Phoenixma · « **Reply #148 on:** February 05, 2011, 01:30:42 AM »

I was referring to stage practice, as in on Lunatic I could get from the 50,000 to around 250,000. From around 50,000- around 150,000-160,000 on Easy. Didn't mess with the in between ones. Lunatic is the only main problem though.

NEETori · « **Reply #149 on:** February 05, 2011, 01:48:29 AM »

Ah, okay. Yeah, I can only get around 80k on a good run.
It's probably due to the fact that I fail at item collecting in this stage and my faith bleeds like an open wound.