Author Topic: Daily Touhou Best Topic Round 2 Part 3 (Read 194532 times)

Zil · « **Reply #960 on:** December 18, 2012, 03:25:13 AM »

Well, SA used to be my favorite. Now I can't stand it. The same more or less applies to MoF and UFO as well. They just seem bland and empty to me.

The positive pick is a bit harder. I can't really say PoDD seeing as I've always liked it. Same for PoFV, GFW, etc. I think my choice here is PCB. There was time when I would have called it the worst game in the series. Now I've seen the beauty of the scoring. If I ever start playing the (non-funky) Windows games again, then it'll probably be PCB scoring.

Validon98 · « **Reply #961 on:** December 18, 2012, 03:34:29 AM »

Positive: The Phantasmagoria games, FW (slightly)
Negative: IN (slightly), SA, TD (slightly), the photography games.

I loved IN at first, but I'm not as into it. I was really into finishing Double Spoiler (read: unlock and beat the Spoiler Stage), but those days are long gone. SA for the fact that I've repeatedly failed to 1cc Normal with any Marisa shottype (though I should really give it another shot). I don't really hate any games, but there are some I'm just not into as much.

On the bright side, I'm warming up to the Phantasmagorias, which were kind of weird to play at first but turned out to be decent games.

Zengeku · « **Reply #962 on:** December 18, 2012, 04:26:57 AM »

Wow there Sakurei... that is almost copy-pasted from my mind... except the MoF part that I always enjoyed but nowadays actually enjoy somewhat less. It's still good, it's just so damn easy most of the time that it fails to hold my attention for very long.

Also, I thought GFW was really awful when it was first released. I didn't like how you had to rely on the ice to get through most of the patterns and how impossible everything felt. Now most of the stuff still feels pretty impossible but it's like a Touhou-version of DoDonPachi Daifukkatsu except only 1/4th as long, with a way worse score system and no loops. The game has definitely grown on me to the point where I say things like GFW has some of the most fun stages in Touhou and I feel that the style of patterns used is something I'd love to see in a main entry of the Touhou series... just toned down a bit of course.

Kaze_Senshi · « **Reply #963 on:** December 18, 2012, 09:14:58 AM »

The fighting games, I remember when I was not a touhou-fan yet, I saw someone playing one Touhou fighting-game and I thought "Blah it's boring, just a game of hadoukens, its better to play Tekken" or something like. Today I like more these fighting games. Maybe in that time I was in the 3D fighting game mood

And about the "normal" touhou games I always liked all of them since the first time that I played them.

Reiko · « **Reply #964 on:** December 18, 2012, 04:58:57 PM »

Positive :
EoSD, so much. I used to find it average, but now it looks like it has everything I like in it (except Extra Stage, which is a bit meh).
PCB, slightly. I used to loathe it, now I find it quite good, and border system is interesting.
TD : way more fun when you learn to use trance as it should be.
Would have put SA here, if stage 3 weren't as it is.

Negative :
IN : too much memo.
MoF : because nothing outstanding (stage 4 is cool though).
DS : fun at first. Not anymore (also, too hard for me).

RNG · « **Reply #965 on:** December 18, 2012, 09:59:29 PM »

TD becomes more fun when you learn to use trance correctly? Funny, I find that using trance at all takes every bit of fun out of the game. Maybe if you were vulnerable it wouldn't be quite as bad of a design decision, but eh. Anyways I'd have to say that TD is one of my favorite in the series to no-bomb (which is kind of becoming my thing) next to MoF and UFO. That's something.

I remember when I used to hate UFO. Man, I was being silly back then. Probably too much listening to Zengeku's grumbling (jk ilu)

For games that changed negatively? PCB, PCB, PCB. I still respect scoring in it a lot, but it's one of the kind of games where you can have so many lives and bombs that there's very little sense of risk and you can just sleepwalk through the stages. You can't even do a no-bomb run of it because you'll end up abusing border breaks (and if you decide to do NBNBB get ready for a lot of restarts :V ). I'm also not terribly fond of EoSD because the stages are boring even for Touhou games. Sakuya and Remi almost make up for it. Almost.

Star King · « **Reply #966 on:** December 19, 2012, 01:41:04 AM »

^You can just suicide ASAP if you get a border break in a PCB NBB run. It's what I'm planning to do when I do No Bomb runs of all the Lunatics one day (yeah I think in the long-term).

Anyways...

Positively, IaMP, because when played competitively, that game is friggin beast and quite well-balanced. It's the only fighting game I've ever been interested in getting into competitively outside of Smash, so that's something.

Negatively I don't feel like answering.

chum · « **Reply #967 on:** December 19, 2012, 02:02:43 AM »

positive: the Phantasmagoria games. I never disliked them, but I didn't really even consider them as legit single player games until I started playing them on lunatic which made me change my opinions on them completely. There's nothing as awesome as fighting Shikieiki.

negative: SA, for one. You stream/cheese most of it. The game rewards you for bomb spamming and there's hardly anything fun to dodge in it. To think that it was for a short period my favourite game in the series... IN is the other one, I think it's quite a decent game in some ways, but the boss patterns are no fun.

Tsym · « **Reply #968 on:** December 19, 2012, 03:05:35 AM »

Most positively: UFO. I was also one of those "what the hell this game is so hard and boring and stage 1 is such a chore" kind of people. Now it's probably my favorite game to play just to relax. The absolutely amazingly fun Extra stage and boss battle is a huge plus too.

Most negatively: EoSD. It used to be my favorite game when I played on Normal/Hard. Now I can't stand it. The stages are just so boring compared to ones later in the series, and the boss fights just seem so... unbalanced in difficulty. Then again at this point I'm mostly only playing MoF and later games, so I think it's just a matter of ZUN getting a tad more consistent at making good stages/bosses.

Zengeku · « **Reply #969 on:** December 19, 2012, 03:17:03 AM »

Quote from: Star King on December 19, 2012, 01:41:04 AM

^You can just suicide ASAP if you get a border break in a PCB NBB run. It's what I'm planning to do when I do No Bomb runs of all the Lunatics one day (yeah I think in the long-term).

I remember that people used to call it No-Intentional border breaks so if they break a border then that's just that but they don't do it intentionally with the intent of abusing the system. That would probably be the approach I'd use too.

Quote from: RNG on December 18, 2012, 09:59:29 PM

Probably too much listening to Zengeku's grumbling (jk ilu)

That grumbling is the best. I sometimes scroll through the 2010 posts to just laugh.

DeltaSierra4 · « **Reply #970 on:** December 23, 2012, 01:06:46 AM »

Let's see if we can hit 1000 posts for this thread!

Which SWR spell card (story mode) do you find the most annoying?

Currently I don't have one but formerly it was Youmu's "Dance of Angels". Back when I was still horribly noobish at these fighting spin-off games I used to suck at playing with Remilia and found it pretty difficult to beat Youmu in Remilia's story mode. Naturally her first spell card was the most annoying for me lol

Zengeku · « **Reply #971 on:** December 23, 2012, 02:31:20 AM »

Is SWR the game in which Yukari is an ass? If so, that one. If not, fuck i dunno lol :V

Yatakarasu · « **Reply #972 on:** December 23, 2012, 04:15:01 AM »

I haven't played SWR. Aren't I insightful? :V

Validon98 · « **Reply #973 on:** December 23, 2012, 04:42:24 AM »

"Doppler Effect." It's the sole reason I can't beat Youmu's story.

chirpy13 · « **Reply #974 on:** December 23, 2012, 09:06:19 AM »

Changed opinion - Negatively, IaMP. Used to love the game, but after a while it just became frustrating and made me angry whenever I played it, so I started playing less and eventually just stopped altogether. Positively, LLS. Absolutely love it. The approachable scoring system really drew me in, since it's more about consistency than absurd precision and timing. PCB is a close second. I don't like it enough to get super serious with it, but it's my favorite for casual playing now. It's a really well designed game, so I don't really get tired of it if I play it a lot.

Annoying SWR spells - Tenshi final by far. Supposedly it's easy but I don't really get it, and once it hits me once it starts to totally destroy me.

Makedounia · « **Reply #975 on:** December 27, 2012, 12:06:01 AM »

Tenshi's final spellcard used to destroy me... Until I learned that you can roll before you stand up. Makes the spell a whole lot easier imo.

redlakitu · « **Reply #976 on:** December 27, 2012, 07:36:00 PM »

I hope it's not too early for a new question, but the last few days have been rather quiet here...

Which spell card do you consider to be your personal nemesis in Touhou?

Hopefully I'm not repeating past questions too much. A slight variation on the "hardest Touhou spell card" question, but this time it's personal. Not necessarily the objectively hardest one, just the one which simply won't stop killing you and wrecking your runs (and mood).

As a relatively new and inexperienced player, I'm especially emotional about Normal level cards. I can think of two candidates and, ironically, both happen to be from the easiest Windows game, Imperishable Night: Apollo 13 and Milky Way. At least in the latter case I managed to get my revenge by timing it out, but I'm still not consistent with that spell card, not to mention Asteroid Belt (horrors...). As for Apollo 13, I simply cannot find a way to handle it at all, as my shameful spell practice history of 12/74 proves. Both have given me probably more grief than all other spell cards combined, excluding maybe Youmu's spells.

I have no name · « **Reply #977 on:** December 27, 2012, 07:37:29 PM »

Whatever card is keeping me from perfecting a boss at the moment.

Alternate answer: Double Spoiler 9-7.

Elysia · « **Reply #978 on:** December 27, 2012, 08:47:17 PM »

Boundary of Life and Death. It's pretty much the entire reason I haven't perfected Yukari.

Reiko · « **Reply #979 on:** December 27, 2012, 09:08:28 PM »

Any survival card ever (only exception being Youkai Polygraph). I'm serious. These are the reason I basically need to no-deaths Extra stages up until said survival, just to blow all of my resources to get through it. And the reason why I haven't no-bombed PCB Extra.

Also, Marionette, which used to take two lives in my normal no-bombs attempts.

ふねん1 · « **Reply #980 on:** December 27, 2012, 09:35:37 PM »

I used to think it was Vajra, and to some extent it still is because of my inability to learn it. But I'd give this one to Greatest Treasure because its luck factor just keeps spitting in my face.

Validon98 · « **Reply #981 on:** December 27, 2012, 09:41:06 PM »

Quote

Any survival card ever (only exception being Youkai Polygraph). I'm serious.

I feel the exact same way. They are the bane of my existence most of the time. I hate Murasa's the most. It's one of the cards that can drain enough of my resources to make 1ccing the rest of the game a challenge.

Alicirno · « **Reply #982 on:** December 27, 2012, 09:54:29 PM »

Kanako has no sense of difficulty

In other news, Princess Undine is visiting.

RNG · « **Reply #983 on:** December 27, 2012, 09:58:14 PM »

- Dipper Creeping Close. I hear it's pathetically easy but I don't want to go back and practice it because it's at the end of a long stage, and if I keep failing it I'll be even more pissed at myself. Plus it freaks me out in a way almost nothing else in Touhou does. If I attempt LNBNUFO this will be my undoing.

- Iwafune Ascending to Heaven. Despite 55 captures in Spell Practice and many "aha" moments, it all comes down to whether Futo decides to go mid-screen like a bitch and force me to kefitdodge in the corner. LNBNT runs come down to doing the part before Futo successfully, and then capturing this. Aaaargh.

- King Kraken Strike. Screenshake? Giant fists blocking my view of bullets? Ichirin moving all around the screen so by the time I force my way to one side she's already moved back? Maybe I suck at it but I fucking loathe this attack.

Zengeku · « **Reply #984 on:** December 27, 2012, 10:41:53 PM »

There are many cards that will fill me with grief. In many cases though it's a case of inexperience with the pattern. Some cards though remain really hard to make it past without dying or bombing so here goes:

- Peerless Wind God: Ugh... so much misery. It's really hard and for both the survival and scoring wise things I'd like to do sometime down the line, the mere existence of this pattern slaps me in the face but it's just a hard card and I capture it every now and then but it's not all the time so it's a fucking problem and one of the only things in MoF that genuinely gives me real trouble.

- Source of Rains: This one isn't particularly hard but for some reason I find myself clipping arrowheads of all things while restreaming. It's something that really shouldn't mess me up but still does from time to time. That and the fact that I hate it's very existence. That makes it enough of a nemesis on its own.

- Greatest Treasure: Need not say anything. Basically same deal as PWG but with AB bullets making for the ultimate bag of NBNUFO destroying fun.

- Good Omen: Cocks. Moving on.

- Devil's Recitation: I don't get why this is so difficult. I have literally no excuse to be so bad at this one but alas I am and it's along with Good Omen one of the only Byakuren attacks I genuinely fear.

So these are five picks that stand out the most in my brain. There are many more though because I suck at shmups.

Seppo Hovi · « **Reply #985 on:** December 27, 2012, 10:46:37 PM »

4th last spell

Limian · « **Reply #986 on:** December 28, 2012, 12:29:03 AM »

for extras, there's always that one spell that costs me a ton of resources and is really really annoying to pass - read: fuji, kokkuri-san (and yukari's version), GENETICS, stupid miko (and several others of her spells) -, but those are at least legit. karakasa's surprise flash, however, is just spamming those luck-based insta-materialise-and-kill bullshit lottery lasers that i cannot stand. maybe if i figure out the trick to it, i will learn to tolerate it but atm it just screws me over in ridiculous ways. it also happens to randomly have bomb armour or something so i can't even instabomb it and be done with it grrraah.

as for the main game spells, vajra hates me and i hate it. most stage 5 spells are quite legit and i give an earnest try to capture them (needle mountain is hard at balls, but it's quite fun once you manage to capture it), but vajra is really just a giant middle finger. at least a bomb will do away with it!

a lot of the UFO (and SA and TD) glowshit spells also qualify for their clipping tendencies.

Star King · « **Reply #987 on:** December 28, 2012, 12:57:24 AM »

-Sylphae Horn High Level. I just can't do it. To me it's actually the hardest mode in Hard mode. I pretty much NEVER capture it on Hard or above. I actually have a better record on Scarlet Meister, Scarlet Gensokyo, Killing Doll, etc. than this card. And it's stage 4. Why.
-Kokkuri-san's Contract. I don't know why, but I am just so bad at it when I shouldn't be. I'm pretty sure it's not even supposed to be hard. What's more, I used to be not that bad at it, but I, like, got worse at it. wtf mate. 0/10 record on it.
-Apollo 13 because my brain just doesn't understand it on any difficulty, even easy. I pretty much just flail wildly and hope I survive. eff you bro
-The Grand Phantom of Guignol, just because it's my least favorite card of all time. It's the embodiment of memotrash.

Azinth · « **Reply #988 on:** December 28, 2012, 02:57:39 AM »

Peerless Wind God. Too much dodging >:[

Zil · « **Reply #989 on:** December 28, 2012, 03:49:44 AM »

This unholy thing.

Author Topic: Daily Touhou Best Topic Round 2 Part 3 (Read 194532 times)

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