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Re: Touhou is harder :V Derp thread III
« Reply #930 on: February 10, 2013, 11:27:06 PM »
Oh no, it's not really the matter.
The miss at stage 4 was purely me running straight into bullets. After that, I guess I somewhat lost focus, and didn't really care about what happened. I can usually clear stage 7 with 0 or 1 miss (surviving 3 minutes against Aya isn't unusual for me).
Actually, I've 1cc'd the game with a few not-too-broken characters on Hard (including Marisa) quite a while ago. And yes, stage 9 Eiki is probably the hardest final boss I've ever played against so far.

I was mostly considering the fact that I tend to quickly lose any incentive to dodge as hard as I can, which leads to a lot of derpy moments like this one (I should have saved this replay, it was hilarious).

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Re: Touhou is harder :V Derp thread III
« Reply #931 on: February 13, 2013, 09:10:16 PM »
I remember saying something about getting working on UFO like two weeks ago.
Guess what? Nope. Nothing. Not a moment until two days ago.

And the results are pretty saddening for now. Only once have I reached Murasa (ReimuB) and only one other time did I reach stage 4 (MarisaA). The thirty other attempts were ragequits before stage 4.
I'm not even certain what shot type I'm supposed to go for. For some reason I am absolutely abhorrent with SanaeB(even more so than normal) and using her is generally nauseating. I'll never understand I guess.


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Re: Touhou is harder :V Derp thread III
« Reply #932 on: February 14, 2013, 01:00:35 AM »
You'll understand when you reach Stage 5. Game gets real hard without a spread shot.

Also making Murasa after only a few days of attempts is good progress, certainly faster than me.

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Re: Touhou is harder :V Derp thread III
« Reply #933 on: February 14, 2013, 01:51:04 AM »
I 1cc'd with ReimuA, who certainly isn't a spread shot. don't discourage him. There is no need to rely on a spreadshot because of one section. They're generally weaker, so it just makes the game harder, imo.

as for me: I tried my hands at PCB extra scoring with SakuyaB. my goal was 900 million - 1 billion. what did I reach? well, let's just say I didn't reach my goal by a long shot.

several mistakes like failed spellcard (especially grave were fox laser, ultimate bhuddist and kokkuri san's contract), busted borders and through those mistimed borders ripped me off a few hundred million points. not to mention I died way too often. I can do it with my current route, I think (Not using HS's, the timing for his bombs in the beginning is bullshit :V) if I make no serious mistakes. this is harder than I thought :V

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Re: Touhou is harder :V Derp thread III
« Reply #934 on: February 14, 2013, 05:02:28 AM »
Don't be silly. Why would you pass up the opportunity to boost the item value so much right at the beginning of the stage? It'll take some practice to get the timing down, but it's literally the very first thing in the stage. You can just keep retrying, and once you've got it down, you'll be doing it every time. And that stage is awesome, by the way. Aim for 1 billion, at least.

Re: Touhou is harder :V Derp thread III
« Reply #935 on: February 14, 2013, 10:29:27 PM »

W-what ?

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Re: Touhou is harder :V Derp thread III
« Reply #936 on: February 15, 2013, 03:13:18 AM »
First time ever making it to Mamizou's last card, capture is imminent, and then ... !

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tP1C7CiWl8Y#t=691s

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Re: Touhou is harder :V Derp thread III
« Reply #937 on: February 15, 2013, 01:56:33 PM »
Died to Byakuren's Banana lasers.
Died to Byakuren's third non.
Died twice to Byakuren's 2nd non.
Died to Byakurens' second non just once but three times in a row.
Died to LFO two times.
Never captured Devils Recitation.

Please give me a hug someone.

I swear, I only drank 6 cans of beer yesterday, i shouldn't be this out of shape today. Next time i drink, i shall just drink until I fucking get knocked out since it'll obviously have the same effect on me the next day anyway.

Re: Touhou is harder :V Derp thread III
« Reply #938 on: February 15, 2013, 02:54:18 PM »
Died to Byakuren's Banana lasers.
Died to Byakuren's third non.
Died twice to Byakuren's 2nd non.
Died to Byakurens' second non just once but three times in a row.
Died to LFO two times.
Never captured Devils Recitation.

Please give me a hug someone.

I swear, I only drank 6 cans of beer yesterday, i shouldn't be this out of shape today. Next time i drink, i shall just drink until I fucking get knocked out since it'll obviously have the same effect on me the next day anyway.

*hugs* I went to play UFO Stage 6 this morning w/o bombs, made it to Byakuren with no deaths, and game overed at LFS.

:V :V :V

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Re: Touhou is harder :V Derp thread III
« Reply #939 on: February 15, 2013, 03:16:10 PM »
zengeku, I feel you. I did the same as wriggle and died to everything but 1st non, good omen and devil's recitation. SOMEHOW. I managed to die twice to the 2nd and 4rd non, too. don't be sad. use this as motivation to do better than us :V

Re: Touhou is harder :V Derp thread III
« Reply #940 on: February 15, 2013, 04:28:31 PM »
Thanks a lot you two  :D

I'll be sure to make a comeback soon enough! More NMNB runs are coming!

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Re: Touhou is harder :V Derp thread III
« Reply #941 on: February 15, 2013, 04:58:04 PM »
yeah, go, do it. I am awaiting for NBNUFO with anticipation

new stuff from my scoring endeavors. it was pretty fail :V



I didn't have ny busted borders for once, but I need to work on my them. I get some of them really inconveniently placed. due to the 3 bombs in the beginning of the stage and that border (yeah, what Zil said is true, not doing it is silly), I get a border in the dialogue for chen. my timing's still far from optimal (I get 20k-35k cherry from the first border, HS gets over 50k), and dur to all that, I don't have a border ready for the spamfairies before chen, even though it's important since I can squeeze 20k out of them. then there's red and blue oni. I can't milk this. too difficult and it will just cost me a life. I know HS bombed it in his run for cherry, but only very late into the spell. I don't have that confidence, so I usually capture it and take the 5-6 million from it. I often have a border ready for the next spell, try to graze as much as possible, I didn't pay attention to how much I get, but my estimation is somewhere aroun 15k. obviously, getting borders ready for the spam kedama is imperative, but I can manage that much. I actually haven't missed a single border for those yet. but my last stage potion border comes too early! it doesn't last long enough to graze the first part of the memo-section. so I somehow need to push it furhter back somehow. I also aren't managing to kill off every fairy right before the last kedama-spam. 2-3 usually survive and I have to fix that, too.

now, for the boss herself. I generally don't milk the spells, due to me having absolutely no confidence to survive through it completely. I do have 4 bombs ready for the fight, so I try to milk the first and second non as much as possible. 2 bombs on each. I am not sure if that's optimal, but I must assume it is. I also stop shooting whenever I have a border to maximize the cherry gain from the pattern. I am not sure if that has to be done every time or if I am doing a mistake through that. anyway, I milk the first and second non, but here's where I have my first big mistake. I die on the 2nd non, because the bomb didn't want to activate. that was really odd. I actually wanted to restart, but this was my best run yet, so I kept going only to die to 12 generals, too. that was pretty severe and those 2 deaths were my biggest mistake in the run. it's not that I would have gotten 1 billion had I not died, but I'd have gotten the life bonus at least.
I wanted to milk fox laser for graze, but I stopped shooting too late, so I finished it off with 7.5 million spellcard bonus only. I didn't do any major mistakes form that point onwards, but I feel like I should graze the spellcards more to get higher spell bonuses. I don't know how people are doing it to push ultimate bhuddist over 10 million, but I didn't get past 8. at least I didn't die to kokkuri-san's contract. that was 13 million if I remeber correctly. also managed to PoC after unilateral contract without getting hit. so that was something :V

3 things I need to work on: 1. border timings. I need borders when I can supergraze. simple as that; especially in the stage potion 2. don't die like a retard 3. milk better

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Re: Touhou is harder :V Derp thread III
« Reply #942 on: February 15, 2013, 05:02:27 PM »
So decided to have a ReimuB (Homing Amulets) Normal Mode run of UFO for the heck of it, actually did all right for the majority of it, even capturing Murasa's survival card for the first time, and only died once to Shou amazingly, then I get to Byakuren, so I went into her with 4 lives and 7 bombs, aaaaaaaaaaaaaaand ended up losing the lot, died once to her Curvy Lazer spellcard, Panic Bombed on Great Magic "Devil's Recitation" JUST as I was about to capture it! died once to her 3rd non spell (the one where she goes around in a circle despite bomb spam) and died twice to Final Fantasia, would've been a game over too if not for an amazing last second death bomb with my last bomb of all things I managed to pull off!

But Byakuren... The ruiner of many good UFO runs!

Edit:

Blerg, I don't think I'll ever get the hang of Utsuho's first and second spell cards as well as her 2nd and 4th non spells (the ones that involve bubble bullets)
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Re: Touhou is harder :V Derp thread III
« Reply #943 on: February 15, 2013, 06:09:20 PM »
I don't have a border ready for the spamfairies before chen, even though it's important since I can squeeze 20k out of them.
What you need to do there, in case you weren't already doing it, is kill the the last few fairies before you reach full power in a way that let's avoid picking up the small power items, and then kill the fairy that appears on the right, also before reaching full power. Then you'll convert those extra power items into cherry items (and some bullets into star items).
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but my last stage potion border comes too early! it doesn't last long enough to graze the first part of the memo-section. so I somehow need to push it furhter back somehow.
HS does that by breaking the border and instantly getting another one. You can't graze the kedama and the memo section all with just one border.
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I do have 4 bombs ready for the fight, so I try to milk the first and second non as much as possible. 2 bombs on each.
How do you have 4 bombs here? If I understand your route for the stage, there is no suicide involved, so shouldn't you be out of bombs? (If you do have them, you should probably use them though.)
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I also stop shooting whenever I have a border to maximize the cherry gain from the pattern. I am not sure if that has to be done every time or if I am doing a mistake through that.
In general, you should do that, but usually you also want to make sure that you don't get borders when patterns end, since you won't be able to graze the following pattern as effectively. Like with the nonspell before Youkai Laser, you should probably shoot (unfocused of course) during the border, and then actually use focused shots once the border wears off. If your cherry is too high you'll get a border from the cancelled bullets when the nonspell ends, and it won't last into the spell.

But yeah, for most of the spells you can play it safe as far as milking goes. With a good stage route, you can basically just NMNB the boss and get 1 billion.

(And don't get discouraged Zengeku. I also want to see you NBNUFO the game sometime. ;))

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Re: Touhou is harder :V Derp thread III
« Reply #945 on: February 16, 2013, 01:48:03 AM »
I just died twice to Lyrica's second nonspell. :colonveeplusalpha:
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Re: Touhou is harder :V Derp thread III
« Reply #946 on: February 16, 2013, 12:21:16 PM »
- goes to face the Prismrivers with three timeouts in mind

- stage portion consisting of absolutely ridiculous moves with a side of BOMB THE EVERYTHING

- Prismrivers finally show up, proceed to attempt absolutely ridiculous dodges during them too since I'm so used to it by now

- this includes during the timeouts, which obviously do not quite succeed.

Screw you PCB Stage 4, why must you be so horribly long and so horrendously BORING?

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Re: Touhou is harder :V Derp thread III
« Reply #947 on: February 16, 2013, 04:14:44 PM »
Screw you PCB Stage 4, why must you be so horribly long and so horrendously BORING?
And yet you still die to it?

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Re: Touhou is harder :V Derp thread III
« Reply #948 on: February 16, 2013, 05:19:38 PM »
EoSD Stage 4 is worse IMO. There are several really hard parts (the end, with the books, fairy and FOEs and the books right before Koakuma come to mind), and I think it's even longer than PCB. At least PCB stage 4 has nicer music and better backgrounds.
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Re: Touhou is harder :V Derp thread III
« Reply #949 on: February 16, 2013, 10:52:25 PM »
And yet you still die to it?
Not while taking it seriously.

Which I do almost never.  :V

Re: Touhou is harder :V Derp thread III
« Reply #950 on: February 17, 2013, 10:51:02 AM »
Got the ultra patch for DS to pass some time, tried timing out 12-4 no photo because it seemed like a good idea!
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Re: Touhou is harder :V Derp thread III
« Reply #951 on: February 17, 2013, 06:05:58 PM »
Hardest run? Close one on  Byakuren Final Spell Card.  I got 0 lives 0 bombs on final spell card but i did it.Also i'm so much noob in Eosd Extra.Stupid Lavathein.

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Re: Touhou is harder :V Derp thread III
« Reply #952 on: February 17, 2013, 09:19:43 PM »
Dammit fairy stop hiding in the glowy


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Re: Touhou is harder :V Derp thread III
« Reply #953 on: February 17, 2013, 11:54:28 PM »
Dammit fairy stop hiding in the glowy



This gif describes every single run I ever did in TD, and sometimes in other games. I never managed to do a single run without this happening.

Someone kill me.

I tried to 1cc SA on normal, so I could try out Koi-Koi, my all time favorite.

Stage 3, why must I always fail you. Why. WHYYYYYYYYY.

AND WHY DOES GIVE UP AND RETRY MAKES ME RESTART THE WHOLE GAME, IT GETS ME EVERYTIIIIIIME.

*starts to foam and dies*

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Re: Touhou is harder :V Derp thread III
« Reply #954 on: February 20, 2013, 03:11:34 AM »
I tried to 1cc SA on normal, so I could try out Koi-Koi, my all time favorite.

Stage 3, why must I always fail you. Why. WHYYYYYYYYY.

AND WHY DOES GIVE UP AND RETRY MAKES ME RESTART THE WHOLE GAME, IT GETS ME EVERYTIIIIIIME.

*starts to foam and dies*
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Re: Touhou is harder :V Derp thread III
« Reply #955 on: February 20, 2013, 03:33:51 AM »
Want a save file with the Extra stage unlocked?

...Seriouslyyyy?  :o

Yes please  :*

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Re: Touhou is harder :V Derp thread III
« Reply #956 on: February 20, 2013, 04:13:24 AM »
...Seriouslyyyy?  :o

Yes please  :*
Okay, here you go:
http://www.mediafire.com/?j1iuc2ld70cv88e

If it doesn't work, let me know and I'll get another one.
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Re: Touhou is harder :V Derp thread III
« Reply #957 on: February 20, 2013, 04:19:47 AM »
Okay, here you go:
http://www.mediafire.com/?j1iuc2ld70cv88e

If it doesn't work, let me know and I'll get another one.

Worked nicely! Thanks a LOT for this. You've seriously given me the occasion to fight with my favorite character, and that's something that means quite a bit to me.

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Re: Touhou is harder :V Derp thread III
« Reply #958 on: February 20, 2013, 04:46:44 AM »
Worked nicely! Thanks a LOT for this. You've seriously given me the occasion to fight with my favorite character, and that's something that means quite a bit to me.
Good luck! I don't have the skill to reach my favorite character, Flandre. I can never make it past EX-Patchouli without infinite lives cheat. Like you, I used a save file to unlock Extra.
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Re: Touhou is harder :V Derp thread III
« Reply #959 on: February 20, 2013, 04:54:22 AM »
Well, fittingly to this thread, I am getting owned rather hard.

Admittedly, I have a hard time on Easy, so...

I mean geez, the best I did was Koi-Koi's first non-spell! Those swirly fwoosh, they're scary! :qq:

Good luck! I don't have the skill to reach my favorite character, Flandre. I can never make it past EX-Patchouli without infinite lives cheat. Like you, I used a save file to unlock Extra.

I'm actually interested by the words ''Infinite Lives''. Is there a cheatsheet for Touhou games or something?

Nevermind, SA was insanely easy to use cheat engine on. I cleared Koishi, and I'm sure my death counts reached the three digits.
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