Touhou is harder :V Derp thread III

[Elysia]

I died to Philosophy of a Hated Person.

The FIRST PHASE of Philosophy of a Hated Person.

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[LadyScarlet]

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I entered Keine with 7 lives. Game over'd to her second-to-last spell.  :colonveeplusalpha:

[Bang Jan]

I died to Philosophy of a Hated Person.

The FIRST PHASE of Philosophy of a Hated Person.

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At least you didn't die to the opening bubbles.

[LeviLamprey]

Died twice to SA Stage 4 and then once to each of Satori's first three attack phases. Wiped to the spirit that appears at the top of the screen in Stage 5; ran into a circular bullet while pacifying that portion to avoid streaming bullets. On Normal.
 :V

[Limian]

oh come on

[Yatakarasu]

At least you didn't die to the opening bubbles.

Oh oh oh! I did that during my clear! I was saving that life for the last card as well.  :ohdear:

[Validon98]

I died to Philosophy of a Hated Person.

The FIRST PHASE of Philosophy of a Hated Person.

 :colonveeplusalpha:

That happened to me once. If that didn't happen, I probably would have gotten my first SA Extra clear. Oh well.
In terms of my derp, I just corrupted my replays of my ReimuA and MarisaB Normal 1ccs while trying to figure out how to change their names from my real one. The latter one I wanted to upload, because it was a relatively amazing run, including a first-time "Flying Fantastica" capture.

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[PMW]

How to not play SA

[Sakurei]

since NBNT TD lunatic 1cc seems to be a thing everyone's attempting, so I gave it a random try.

and cam to the conclusion that everyone who does it is crazy. how can you people actually play this game on a regular basis?yeah, yoshika's nons are awesome and kyoko's nons aren't bad either, but man, this game is horrible. stage 1 is a complete catastrophe, stage two is bad, which the exception of the nons. same applies to stage 3. stage 4 is terribad in its entirety. Futo's a cool bossfight with 3 spellcards that aren't absolutely horrible, but her stage is also sleep inducingly boring.

and I don't even want to start talking about stage 6

you people are crazy.

[Zengeku]

stage two is bad, which the exception of the nons.

I dunno, I like Bubble Bath :V

Other than that, I agree with what you're saying. Made it to Seiga's final when I tried it. Funny thing is that I made it further in UFO NBNUFO but that's probably because that game is 2x infinitely better  :V

[Ikari]

NBNT TD

UFO NBNUFO

...Eeeh?

[Seppo Hovi]

They're conditions.

NB is No Bombs, NT is No Trance and NUFO is No UFO summoning..

[RNG]

since NBNT TD lunatic 1cc seems to be a thing everyone's attempting, so I gave it a random try.

If you want to complain about TD being easy and sleep-inducingly boring, please perfect the first 4 stages in a row  Really there's some sort of weird mental block people have to TD. They claim it's incredibly easy, but aren't willing to completely own the crap out of it because it's "too boring". Seems like an excuse to me. Maybe the game is actually kinda challenging()

Wow sorry if that sounded really arrogant but I'm kind of pissed off at this "so easy XD, I'm going to bomb-spam and trance-spam through everything" attitude because playing NBNT is actually really fun and stressful and all those nice things - consistency is hard no matter how "easy" a game is - and people don't respect it because it's TD so playing it doesn't count. Or something.

[I have no name]

TD is less interesting/fun/entertaining than the other games.  It's still good, it's still fun, but less so than the basis for comparison which is why I think people dislike it.
TD normal is far easier and more mind-numbing than other normals.  When I no bombed them, I died twice to this one, one was a derp and the other was at the very end, also a derp.  UFO took 14 lives (I used UFOs, sue me) and IN took 9.  This was all around the same time as well.
TD lunatic is actually quite challenging and I'm glad at least someone agrees with me to some extent.

[Sakurei]

I am not saying that it's easy. I just don't find it fun.

a NBNT run of TD is really challanging due to the scarce resources you get, originally! in a NT run, you almost halve what you get

it's difficult/challenging/etc to NBNT, but that doesn't make it fun. yeah, it's easy to clear if you are willing to use everything you have, but it gets tough once you don't. I admit that and everyone who actualy 1cc's it without using anything but deaths to clear bullets is pretty darn good.

I feel like I am repeating myself in those 3 sentences like 5 times :v

[Zengeku]

They claim it's incredibly easy, but aren't willing to completely own the crap out of it because it's "too boring". Seems like an excuse to me. Maybe the game is actually kinda challenging()

Sure. Staying awake is hella difficult. Kinda like PCB syndrome. The patterns are so simple and unengaging that you end up taking hits to them anyway either because you underestimate things or because you forgot how to do it because it's a game that you for very good reasons never touch. NBNT is not easy in TD since you only get 6 lives and many things can potentially kill you but just adding more challenge doesn't automatically make the game not suck.  :V

To say that 'it's too boring' is an excuse is ridiculous. Why the hell would you play a game that you already consider mediocre? Because you've got something to prove? Oh please.

[RNG]

The patterns are so simple and unengaging that you end up taking hits to them anyway either because you underestimate things or because you forgot how to do it because it's a game that you for very good reasons never touch.

Funny, I generally call that "getting hit".

[Zengeku]

So do I usually. Getting hit is getting hit. My post sounds like i'm just making excuses for getting hit, that's true but that's not the point. The point is, difficult or not, if you are not having fun playing the game then why would you?

To discard TD because it's too easy is not an excuse, it's a reason. The patterns are not hard enough to be fun but they can still get you killed.

[Ikari]

I do consider TD to be very easy, but the only reason that I refuse to perfect it any farther than normal is because unlike other Touhous, you get so little lives* that it's almost more of a survival game than a regular Touhou game.

It's funny considering TD has many, many new mechanics, like reflecting walls, boss healing, resurrection, shiny bullets meant to actively block your view, etc (Miko suns. That is all)

Basically, TD is to me a fun game, but so incredibly frustrating as every little errors you make preeeetty much seal your fate for the rest of the game.

*Note: Don't you dare to tell me you can trance to get twice as many life desires and that it's ''super easy'' to get lives. Don't. You. Dare.

As for my derps.

Playing UFO, get killed by Kogasa in a very stupid way, go batshit insane and bomb spam while weeping and saying repeatedly ''THAT'S CAUSE YOU'RE A BIG MEANIE ;-;''

[Tsym]

I'm rather skeptical of the idea that saying it's "too easy and I get bored doing it so I won't" is a legitimate reason to dismiss TD. If it's truly easy, then you should have no problem stepping up to the plate for just long enough to get it done. If you can't do that, then it clearly isn't easy. Getting bored of a game because the patterns aren't interesting is a legitimate reason, but that's a different argument from saying that something's too easy.

I think the problem here is just this right here:

The point is, difficult or not, if you are not having fun playing the game then why would you?

I'm sure that everyone agrees with this. This would be a good argument, full stop.

But then you go on to say:

To discard TD because it's too easy is not an excuse, it's a reason. The patterns are not hard enough to be fun but they can still get you killed.

This is a purely subjective idea. People can consider patterns that get you killed if you're just slightly careless "hard". I know that I think that true mastery comes from being able to do things even if you're half asleep. Like I can do Heal By Desire even if I'm half asleep. That's simple. I also feel that I can do Seiga's final card on a fairly consistent basis. But if I'm not putting in the effort, I'm likely to screw that up. I take that as a sign that I still have much to improve on because I think mastery comes from doing things without effort. If my mind isn't quick enough to immediately process where I want to go, then I die, and I think that while the pattern may not be hard, it certainly isn't easy, and there's no reason to dismiss the early portions of the game as easy either.

But that's my view on things, and it certainly doesn't hold true for other people. Some may think that it's still a wasted effort to go through the boring first few stages to get to the juicy later bits. But you certainly won't win any opinions by deriding something as "easy" when the other person doesn't utilize the same value system that you do.

[Zil]

TD has spell practice.

That makes it better than anything else post-pofv.

[Ikari]

TD has spell practice.

That makes it better than anything else post-pofv.

*opens mouth in objection*

.....

Yeah.

[Zengeku]

Getting bored of a game because the patterns aren't interesting is a legitimate reason, but that's a different argument from saying that something's too easy.

You do have a point. But I just find saying that it's too easy to be a good phrasing of the point. It's easy enough to be boring to play but not easy enough that I can clear it NBNT in one credit. But just this amount of easy is already way too much. It's boring to play. The patterns not being hard enough is part of the reason why the patterns aren't interesting. It's true what you say about there being different views on what makes a pattern easy and I can certainly tell you that mine is different than yours.

TD has spell practice.

That makes it better than anything else post-pofv.

You are a sick man.  :] What good is spell practice when the spells suck?  :V

[Ikari]

What good is spell practice when the spells suck?  :V

What good!? WHAT GOOD!!??

You can admire Futo's Nice Boat without having to actually reach Stage 5!

[RNG]

TD has some fun spells. Better than 90% of the stuff in IN, that's for sure. If you want to say IN has good spells, though, well be my guest.

Anyhow. Made it past Tongling Yoshika with 4 lives. That's a first. I proceeded to panic and run full into a kunai wall on the next non though :V Never look at how many extra lives you have, it will do bad things to you.

[Sakurei]

we all always knew Zil was no sane man.

a shame that everything post PoFV is vastly better than TD. StB and DS uncluded as well as GFW. like, they're all so so much more fun than TD. despite spell practice.

so yeah, I quote Zengeku on that one. what good does it do if the spells suck.

In has a ouple fun spellcards, actually. leaving the last words aside (because nothing beats SFN), there's astronomical entombing, asteroid belt, fantasy seal fader, ephemerality, starlight typhoon is pretty fun (if that's the sepll I am thinking of :V). so yeah, IN has a couple cool spells. as opposed to TD who has all of what, 4 or 5 good spells? 3 of them are Futo's. what the fuck.

[RNG]

You named 5 "cool spells" in IN and then said TD had only 5.

I think TD shines more in the nonspells - aside from Futo's and a few of Miko's they're really damn good - but Yoshika's first 2 spells are great (if a bit easy). I also like Seiga's spells a lot but we've established that I'm crazy so uh

[Ikari]

I have a love-hate relationship with TD's nonspells.

Stage 3 and 4 nonspells? Awesome. They're actually different stuff.

Stage 5 and 6? GODDAMNIT STOP DOING THE SAME DAMN THING BUT A BIT HARDER THAN LAST TIME.

That is all.
Seiga's spells are fun. I mean, I die more against them than I've died against every other spellcards ever made put together, but hey, shiny electric balls/lasers!

I still have nightmares of Seiga's Overdrive.

[Zengeku]

TD has some fun spells. Better than 90% of the stuff in IN, that's for sure. If you want to say IN has good spells, though, well be my guest.

Yes! But also 90% worse than UFO which is reason enough not to play TD!

Yes. I am very biased. I'm just gonna stop now.  Sorry for being such a douchebag but I just couldn't shut up when you made it sound like people who say that TD is easy but don't make NBNT runs are just making excuses I got provoked.

I'm sorry if I've been an annoying dick, please don't hate me.  :3

Let's be a bit more classy now: Attacks I like in TD:

- Yuyuko's 3rd, Bubble Bath, Charged Yahoo, Kyouko's non-spells, Yoshika's non-spells, Poison Murder, mid-boss Seiga's non, Futo's first card, Futo's third card, Miko's 6th card. That is 13 patterns. Adding overdrives you get Mamizous, Yoshikas, Kyoukos and Seigas. 17 all in all.

IN: Mystias 2nd, Ephemerality, Marisa's 1st and 3rd non, Asteroid Belt, Reisen's last spell, Apollo 13, Astronomical Entombing, Game of Rising, Brilliant Dragon Bullet, Reimu's Fader attack, Kaguya's 2nd non. That's 12. Then last words: Youmu, Wriggle, Yuyuko and Keine are the only ones that comes to mind.

So I can actually think of more patterns in TD I like than in IN but I will argue that I like the IN ones more though. For the most part. Plus, any IN card is better for scoring than in TD.  :V

[Sakurei]

I named 5 examples, not that these were the only ones. I am not going to list every spell I find cool out of 200 or whatever the game has.

but yeah, you're right if you say yoshika's nons are great. kyoko's are, too. but if you want nons, kaguya has them, too. with the exception of the last, duh. Keine's aren't as good at yoshika's or kyoko's, but they're decent enough and reimu's nons aren't too horrible either. for the most part. marisa's first non is cool, too. even if static :V

I am not sure how I feel about seiga's non, because yoshika is being weird on them, to be honest. at least they're better than most of the remaining game. I'll give them that.

seiga's overdrive is not _that_ difficult. when i saw people saying it was the hardest thing in the series, I just...couldn't...retort. I mean, you don't handle it any different than the lunatic version. you just have to actually dodge a ball for once. oh_my_god. so difficult. eh, the hell?

sure, it's the hardest overdrive, but not as difficult as people here make it out to be,

also, miko's 6th spellcard was ruined by perfecting that stage for me :V just throwing that in :v