Maidens of the Kaleidoscope
~Hakurei Shrine~ => Help Me, Eirin! => Topic started by: fwry on March 13, 2013, 12:04:35 AM
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I personally find the first one to be absurdly hard. :V
Second to that would be Undefined Fantastic Object, maybe Subterranean Animism.
Third is Perfect Cherry Blossom, just because of stage four. The music is beautiful. But it's so long and difficult.
Discuss, I would love to hear everyone's opinions!~
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Some say UFO's among the hardest/the most hardest... but I find SA harder, I don't know why. Must be the bullet patters, or how the options work.
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Phantasmagoria of dim.dream.
if you think otherwise, you haven't played it. it's as simple as that.
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I haven't played any of the PC-98 games, but I think HRtP was the hardest out of that era.
Now from the windows era, UFO hands down. SA is a close second. From a personal stand point....PCB. I am in no way saying it is the hardest. I'm just really bad at it. Don't know why.
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Among the shooting games, UFO is the hardest, no question. Can't speak for any of the others.
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SA (for while I know only the normal level from the most of windows games), but I heard that when you go to hard/lunatic, UFO becomes the hardest game from Windows series.
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SA and UFO.
but Highly Responsive to Prayers is the hardest PC-98 game ever!
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You've gotta specify the difficulty! (And also whether you include the pc-98 games, photo games, etc.etc.)
Talking only about Lunatic and the Windows series, I would definitely go with UFO. My hands are in the air, nothing more to say, it's the hardest game.
Also, all those people saying SA is the hardest game are ludicrous! What are those maniacs thinking!? I have you know I was clearing SA on Lu[bias bias bias]
If you include PC-98 I'd probably say PoDD since I hear a lot about it being damn hard, and from watching streams and videos of it I can sorta see why. I've never played it myself though so my opinion on it is worth very little.
On other difficulties things vary quite a bit.
On Normal it's generally seen that SA is the hardest, but I'd strongly contest that since it's not too bad on normal!
During my first 1ccs on normal I found UFO and IN a lot harder than SA. EoSD was also harder for me than SA, but to a lesser extent.
These things are quite subjective, so take everything said with a pinch of salt, including what I said!
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I haven't played any of the PC-98 games, but I think HRtP was the hardest out of that era.
That makes no sense.
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Easy: ???
Normal: Subterranean Animism (EoSD not too far behind.)
Hard: Undefined Fantastic Object (Took a lot more credits out of me to clear on Hard mode even though it was the last one remaining.)
Lunatic: Undefined Fantastic Object (From what I seen and experienced, UFO looks harder than SA even though I haven't 1CC either yet.)
Extra: Subterranean Animism's Koishi Komeiji.
Based on my personal experience of the Touhou Windows games. :)
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Phantasmagoria of dim.dream.
if you think otherwise, you haven't played it. it's as simple as that.
Yeah, pretty much.
And really guys, HRtP is a complete cakewalk. If you think it's hard then you don't understand the mechanics or haven't put the effort into it.
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If you think it's hard then you don't understand the mechanics
Pressing X is hard. It's now confirmed.
This thread has got some good answers for hardest game. (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,14095.0.html)
UFO/PoDD for survival, PCB/IN Youmu for scoring, to put it simple.
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That makes no sense.
I basically meant from all the videos I've watched. Sorry if I wasn't clear. :ohdear:
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Currently, I can only speak about normal for the window Touhou games (I'm now working on hard), but with that in mind, SA. SA without a doubt, not a single question (ORIIIIN). I still remember the exhilaration of finally clearing it.
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Pressing X is hard. It's now confirmed.
Yes. And pressing C is also hard. Therefore TD is the hardest game in the series ever.
But anyway, yes, it depends on the difficulty, but UFO and PoDD should be pretty difficult compared to the others on any difficulty (except the Nue battle, which is easy for an Extra boss).
As for anyone who doubts HRtP, I suggest you watch this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WBcWjgTGNTg). Bomb the stages for lives, suicide for bombs, attack the bosses by sliding repeatedly without concern for dying. Most trivial Lunatic mode in the series, if you're going for an anything-goes clear. Even PoFV Lunatic with Aya/Medicine involves more dodging than that.
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What about Great Fairy Wars?
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What about Great Fairy Wars?
It's actually a rather simple clear on difficulties above Normal (well, I didn't play Hard so I don't know about that), since you get to freeze so many bullets that you gain quite a few lives. Also, since the patterns are certainly on impossible-to-gain-consistency-on levels, you're not supposed to dodge them but cancel the bullets with your freezes. A bit of practice and you'll get it down rather well.
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What about Great Fairy Wars?
About average for story mode, hard extra stage.
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I'm gonna go with SA. I might change my mind when I try harder difficulties.
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I haven't played the PC-98 games but from what I have played, UFO, without a doubt. That being said, SA is definitely a close second.
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UFO and PoDD in my opinion.
I still have yet to get a PoDD Lunatic 1cc. I should work on it more.
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I find SA to be pretty hard. For some reason that's the only game I've never managed to 1cc so far.
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About average for story mode, hard extra stage.
It can be an intimidating game but once you get it down it really isn't THAT hard, or hard enough to not 1cc it even on Lunatic in my case. Here's one of my lunatic runs (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VtTVr6_czXo), messy, but clearable! As for extra, well, I got pretty good! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZFteUvYLqGo) But I made two silly mistakes and died on Test Slave when it's really easy and derped at the very end. Could've been one death total but meh.
PC-98 games it is either 1 or 3. PoDD destroyed me the first time I played it when I have experience with PoFV (means nothing for PoDD!). For the windows games I'd say it has to be UFO because... well, *looks at signature* it surely isn't SA for me.
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Phantasmagoria of Anything. Those games are impossible. The rest are only hard under restrictions :V
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Why are so many people saying PODD is the hardest? It's one of the easiest for me.
It'd be between HRtP and SA for me.
HRtP is very luck-based when it comes to difficulty. If you get lucky, it can be very easy, if not it can be very hard.
SA is... impossible to beat for me. Even on easy.
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Haven't played PC-98 games as well so I'd say SA then UFO.
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Why are so many people saying PODD is the hardest? It's one of the easiest for me.
On Lunatic as well?
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PoDD and PoFV for lunatic modo. (And UFO too)
I like how some people say the Phantasmagoria games are easy because they can get farther in the game. The whole game is basically going for a walk at stages 1-6 then crying because the AI cheats too much on stages 7-9 (Chiyuri why :ohdear:)
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For Lunatic, probably
PoDD > UFO > PoFV (not Aya/Medicine) > SA > EoSD > IN > MoF > PCB > SoEW > MS > LLS > PoFV (Aya/Medicine)
Not sure where I would put in FW since I've hardly played it. For normal mode:
FW > UFO > PoFV (not-Aya/Medicine) > PoDD > SA > MS > EoSD > SoEW > PCB > IN > MoF > LLS > PoFV (Aya/Medicine)
PoFV and PoDD could maybe go above UFO, but sometimes you get lucky with the bosses dying fast. MS and SoEW don't get that much harder as you go up the difficulties, which is why they place much higher on Normal than Lunatic. FW might be a bit high, but I wasn't able to clear Normal until I already had Lunatic clears behind me, so I think it deserves the spot.
Stuff like HRtP, StB/DS are their own thing. HRtP plays completely differently from the shooters, and the photo games are essentially spell card practice and putting in time until you get through them. There's not really any punishment for mistakes in them.
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After trying PoDD a bit, and seeing a few videos of it, I'm pretty sure it's the hardest one (there might be a biais here, because no focus system, input lag and overall eye cancer kinda made me throw this game away).
With UFO being a close second.
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UFO. For some reason I find TD and MoF harder than SA. :V
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I'd say UFO and SA by far D:
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A factor to consider is goal... 1cc survival or highscore? MoF for example is considered one of, if not the easiest to survive in. But for scoring... Simply forgetting to not kill specifi enemies during certain moments can effectively cripple your score for good.
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Talking about the difficulty of scoring is probably going to result in a lot of irritated posts and ignorance.
Just gonna throw that out there right now.
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Has anyone here cleared SoEW extra D:
When I attempted it I got so scared I instantly quit. (Maybe I'm just too easily intimidated.)
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It's only been cleared by a handful of people here afaik. I don't know how much that has to do with it being difficult rather than the game just being bad though.
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I remember when taohow was new for me i kept hearing about how evil eye sigma was crazy hard...
He really isnt imo. It helps alot to realize that you shoot much faster by mashing shoot rather than hold it down in that game.
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Yeah, there's a lot of silliness floating around about the PC-98 games being outrageously hard and all that (as we've seen in this thread). In reality they're much easier than the Windows games. PoDD Lunatic (and Hard maybe) is the only real exception.
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It's only been cleared by a handful of people here afaik. I don't know how much that has to do with it being difficult rather than the game just being bad though.
Probably a bit of both, but mostly the game quality.
I think it is harder to clear, but I'd attribute that mainly to lower resources, which have the added effect of making it harder to learn the patterns. The way your power reduces with every death doesn't help either. If you had two bombs per life instead of one it probably wouldn't be any more difficult than the others, especially since Evil Eye Sigma doesn't seem to have bomb immunity like later Touhou Extra bosses (except Marisa) do.
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PoDD Lunatic (and Hard maybe) is the only real exception.
Yumemi. Never. Fucking. Dies. The whole Hard mode clear I did spent, deaths and all, like 20 minutes or so.
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PoDD lunatic, definitely. I remember when I first did it, there were people who thought it was literally impossible. :derp: It's the only lunatic 1cc I've never replicated, because god damn Chiyuri whyyyyy.
Also, while I know this will sound snobbish, the vast majority of people who say HRtP is the hardest don't know the correct way to play it. That said, not many people know how to play it. :v It's not that tough if you know the secret to clearing bosses quickly.
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Hardest easy mode: PCB or UFO.
Hardest normal mode: SA or (surprisingly) TD.
Hardest hard mode: Don't really play hard mode.
Hardest lunatic mode: UFO
Hardest extra mode: SA (Haven't unlocked Nue)
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Hardest extra mode: SA (Haven't unlocked Nue)
This doesn't make sense, if you haven't unlocked Nue, you can't say that she is hard, you can say that doing 1CC in SA is hard :V
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Nue was the extra boss of UFO the last time I played, not the extra boss of SA.
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I find UFO the most frustrating due to the UFO summoning. It and SA have the most challenging bosses in my opinion. Also UFO has (in my opinion) the hardest extra stage.
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Nue was the extra boss of UFO the last time I played, not the extra boss of SA.
I know, i'm saying I don't know if Nue is the hardest because I haven't unlocked her.
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From windows games I think SA is hardest and UFO is number two...
From the PC-98 games I think the SoEW was the hardest... But I have to agree that PoDD is really
hard as well. Especially Yumemi.
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Medicine.
Clearly the hardest gams.
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I think EoSD was the hardest game for me, just because of how many times I died to Remi. SA was also really hard on Lunatic, since I think the difficulty differences were huge in that game.
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Okay, here's my list then.
Easy: Ten Desires (There is a reason I'm good at Lunatic PoFV but suck at Normal :V )
Normal: Subterranean Animism
Hard: Hi PoDD Bye PoDD
Lunatic: HI PoDD BYE PoDD
There ain't any UFOs in my town. BV
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Easy: PCB. I barely clear Stage 4. It's too long for me... And SA, because of Yuugi, and later Orin.
Normal: EoSD. I BS alot when I reach Remi.
Hard: TD, because of Seiga's curvy lazars and her Yoshika support. And UFO. Shou's curvy lazars and Byakuren's spells make me BS.
Lunatic: IN. It's easy until Stage 5. I barely clear Lunatic Reisen, but when I reach Kaguya, I have to use continues. I can't 1CC IN on Lunatic.
MoF seems pretty easy for me. :V